Documentation Talk:User Guide - Revision history

DoesItReallyMatter: Spam: Undo revision 20730 by Zilking75 (talk)

2014-12-02T13:55:55Z

Spam: Undo revision 20730 by Zilking75 (talk)

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	::::Also, can the copyright notice be moved into the footer?		::::Also, can the copyright notice be moved into the footer?
	::::--[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 20:26, 9 July 2007 (CEST)		::::--[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 20:26, 9 July 2007 (CEST)
	:::::I'd rather have the copyright notice right after the ~~<span class="plainlinks">[http://tripfoundry.com/<span style="color:black;font-weight:normal; text-decoration:none!important; background:none!important; text-decoration:none;">Trip Foundry</span>]~~ title (seems to be the way it's done in most manuals online). And maybe change it from (c) VideoLAN project to (c) VideoLAN project and it's contributors [[User:Dionoea\|Dionoea]] 09:48, 10 July 2007 (CEST)		:::::I'd rather have the copyright notice right after the title (seems to be the way it's done in most manuals online). And maybe change it from (c) VideoLAN project to (c) VideoLAN project and it's contributors [[User:Dionoea\|Dionoea]] 09:48, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
	::::::I defer to your judgment, but you might take a look at how Gallery handles its wiki-based documentation: http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery2:About		::::::I defer to your judgment, but you might take a look at how Gallery handles its wiki-based documentation: http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery2:About
	::::::It's got a discrete notice of the ''GNU Free Documentation License'' in the footer: "Content is available under GNU FDL." The FDL replaces the copyright notice.		::::::It's got a discrete notice of the ''GNU Free Documentation License'' in the footer: "Content is available under GNU FDL." The FDL replaces the copyright notice.

DoesItReallyMatter: Spam: Undo revision 20731 by Zilking75 (talk)

2014-12-02T13:55:28Z

Spam: Undo revision 20731 by Zilking75 (talk)

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	Free Documentation License".		Free Documentation License".
	:::::::::Changing the license to something that isn't GPL compliant would require the authorisation of all the current authors (that's far from being impossible ... but is it really worth it?). This is what it used to look like before I began moving the doc on the wiki: http://www.videolan.org/doc/play-howto/en/play-howto-en.html . Copying what we used there would be fine IMO. [[User:Dionoea\|Dionoea]] 10:03, 11 July 2007 (CEST)		:::::::::Changing the license to something that isn't GPL compliant would require the authorisation of all the current authors (that's far from being impossible ... but is it really worth it?). This is what it used to look like before I began moving the doc on the wiki: http://www.videolan.org/doc/play-howto/en/play-howto-en.html . Copying what we used there would be fine IMO. [[User:Dionoea\|Dionoea]] 10:03, 11 July 2007 (CEST)
	::::::::::That sounds cool to me. I was just trying to suggest some possible alternatives, but I'm no <span class="plainlinks">[http://wikinstructions.com/<span style="color:black;font-weight:normal; text-decoration:none!important; background:none!important; text-decoration:none;">Online Instructions</span>] expert in software-manual copyright issues. --[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 13:25, 11 July 2007 (CEST)		::::::::::That sounds cool to me. I was just trying to suggest some possible alternatives, but I'm no expert in software-manual copyright issues. --[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 13:25, 11 July 2007 (CEST)

	==Copyright policy==		==Copyright policy==

Corbax: Corbax moved page Documentation Talk:Play HowTo to Documentation Talk:User Guide

2013-09-20T08:54:43Z

Corbax moved page Documentation Talk:Play HowTo to Documentation Talk:User Guide

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Zilking75: /* Formatting: Put authors' names in the discussion page */

2011-12-15T14:29:15Z

Formatting: Put authors' names in the discussion page

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	Free Documentation License".		Free Documentation License".
	:::::::::Changing the license to something that isn't GPL compliant would require the authorisation of all the current authors (that's far from being impossible ... but is it really worth it?). This is what it used to look like before I began moving the doc on the wiki: http://www.videolan.org/doc/play-howto/en/play-howto-en.html . Copying what we used there would be fine IMO. [[User:Dionoea\|Dionoea]] 10:03, 11 July 2007 (CEST)		:::::::::Changing the license to something that isn't GPL compliant would require the authorisation of all the current authors (that's far from being impossible ... but is it really worth it?). This is what it used to look like before I began moving the doc on the wiki: http://www.videolan.org/doc/play-howto/en/play-howto-en.html . Copying what we used there would be fine IMO. [[User:Dionoea\|Dionoea]] 10:03, 11 July 2007 (CEST)
	::::::::::That sounds cool to me. I was just trying to suggest some possible alternatives, but I'm no expert in software-manual copyright issues. --[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 13:25, 11 July 2007 (CEST)		::::::::::That sounds cool to me. I was just trying to suggest some possible alternatives, but I'm no <span class="plainlinks">[http://wikinstructions.com/<span style="color:black;font-weight:normal; text-decoration:none!important; background:none!important; text-decoration:none;">Online Instructions</span>] expert in software-manual copyright issues. --[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 13:25, 11 July 2007 (CEST)

	==Copyright policy==		==Copyright policy==

Zilking75: /* Formatting: Put authors' names in the discussion page */

2011-12-15T14:12:49Z

Formatting: Put authors' names in the discussion page

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	::::Also, can the copyright notice be moved into the footer?		::::Also, can the copyright notice be moved into the footer?
	::::--[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 20:26, 9 July 2007 (CEST)		::::--[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 20:26, 9 July 2007 (CEST)
	:::::I'd rather have the copyright notice right after the title (seems to be the way it's done in most manuals online). And maybe change it from (c) VideoLAN project to (c) VideoLAN project and it's contributors [[User:Dionoea\|Dionoea]] 09:48, 10 July 2007 (CEST)		:::::I'd rather have the copyright notice right after the <span class="plainlinks">[http://tripfoundry.com/<span style="color:black;font-weight:normal; text-decoration:none!important; background:none!important; text-decoration:none;">Trip Foundry</span>] title (seems to be the way it's done in most manuals online). And maybe change it from (c) VideoLAN project to (c) VideoLAN project and it's contributors [[User:Dionoea\|Dionoea]] 09:48, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
	::::::I defer to your judgment, but you might take a look at how Gallery handles its wiki-based documentation: http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery2:About		::::::I defer to your judgment, but you might take a look at how Gallery handles its wiki-based documentation: http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery2:About
	::::::It's got a discrete notice of the ''GNU Free Documentation License'' in the footer: "Content is available under GNU FDL." The FDL replaces the copyright notice.		::::::It's got a discrete notice of the ''GNU Free Documentation License'' in the footer: "Content is available under GNU FDL." The FDL replaces the copyright notice.

J-b: Reverted edits by MatildaHarris (Talk) to last revision by Shin26

2011-10-31T01:01:00Z

Reverted edits by MatildaHarris (Talk) to last revision by Shin26

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	Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document		Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document
	under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2		under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2
	or any later ~~[http://www.facebook.com/bsafans/ Beauty Schools of America Complaints]~~ version published by the Free Software Foundation;		or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation;
	with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover		with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover
	Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU		Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU

MatildaHarris at 03:29, 28 October 2011

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	Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document		Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document
	under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2		under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2
	or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation;		or any later [http://www.facebook.com/bsafans/ Beauty Schools of America Complaints] version published by the Free Software Foundation;
	with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover		with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover
	Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU		Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU

Shin26: /* Formatting: Put authors' names in the discussion page */

2011-10-18T16:01:07Z

Formatting: Put authors' names in the discussion page

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	I'd suggest de-emphasizing the authors of this article. For one, this will change as more authors edit this wiki. In a sense they are credited in the article's ''history'' page, but, of course, the basic principle of a wiki is that the authors are relatively anonymous.		I'd suggest de-emphasizing the authors of this article. For one, this will change as more authors edit this wiki. In a sense they are credited in the article's ''history'' page, but, of course, the basic principle of a wiki is that the authors are relatively anonymous.

	But my suggestion is mostly based on what a reader wants to know. He/she is not so much interested in the authors as in getting information. Hence, I'd suggest the information come first in this, and all other articles, and the authors, if they need to be listed at all, be moved to the ''discussion'' pages.		But my suggestion is mostly based on what a reader wants to know. He/she is not so much interested in the authors as in getting information. Hence, I'd suggest the information come first in this, and all other articles, and the authors, if they need to be listed [http://frontierlumber.net/decking/Rhino/ rhino deck] at all, be moved to the ''discussion'' pages.

	Just my 2 cents...		Just my 2 cents...

J-b: Undo revision 19538 by JannaSpike (Talk)

2011-10-15T16:45:59Z

Undo revision 19538 by JannaSpike (Talk)

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	::::::It's got a discrete notice of the ''GNU Free Documentation License'' in the footer: "Content is available under GNU FDL." The FDL replaces the copyright notice.		::::::It's got a discrete notice of the ''GNU Free Documentation License'' in the footer: "Content is available under GNU FDL." The FDL replaces the copyright notice.
	::::::Also, in the US, I don't know that a group like the contributors can legally hold copyright, but I'm no lawyer. --[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 13:15, 10 July 2007 (CEST)		::::::Also, in the US, I don't know that a group like the contributors can legally hold copyright, but I'm no lawyer. --[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 13:15, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
	:::::::Well in fact the VideoLAN project doesn't exist as a Legal entity either so theoretically it can't hold copyright either. To be on the safe side we'd need to mention all the authors in the copyright notice, with the appropriate date for each author unless they explicitly mention that they give up their copyright (or relinquish it in favor of some other legal entity). And licensing ~~<span class="plainlinks">[http://mycaal.com/ <span style="color:black;font-weight:normal; text-decoration:none!important; background:none!important; text-decoration:none;">loan modification</span>]~~ terms are a different concept from a copyright as far as I understand. (One could argue that an author keeps copyright on what he writes even if it's not stated explicitly anywhere, but I still think that we should mention it to emphasise, as do most open source projects I checked on. This page on the FSF website has some details: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050325novalis.html ) -- [[User:Dionoea\|Dionoea]] 19:00, 10 July 2007 (CEST)		:::::::Well in fact the VideoLAN project doesn't exist as a Legal entity either so theoretically it can't hold copyright either. To be on the safe side we'd need to mention all the authors in the copyright notice, with the appropriate date for each author unless they explicitly mention that they give up their copyright (or relinquish it in favor of some other legal entity). And licensing terms are a different concept from a copyright as far as I understand. (One could argue that an author keeps copyright on what he writes even if it's not stated explicitly anywhere, but I still think that we should mention it to emphasise, as do most open source projects I checked on. This page on the FSF website has some details: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050325novalis.html ) -- [[User:Dionoea\|Dionoea]] 19:00, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
	::::::::Yeah, that makes sense. But I would like to point out that what Gallery is using is the ''documentation'' license that GNU makes available here: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html . Thus, it's specifically designed for manuals to accompany "free software". So, depending on how "free" VideoLAN is, you might want to consider using it.		::::::::Yeah, that makes sense. But I would like to point out that what Gallery is using is the ''documentation'' license that GNU makes available here: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html . Thus, it's specifically designed for manuals to accompany "free software". So, depending on how "free" VideoLAN is, you might want to consider using it.
	::::::::The ''GNU Free Documentation License'' does not surrender the authors' copyright. In fact, here's what they suggest you use as a copyright statement on the title page of the manual. --[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 19:53, 10 July 2007 (CEST)		::::::::The ''GNU Free Documentation License'' does not surrender the authors' copyright. In fact, here's what they suggest you use as a copyright statement on the title page of the manual. --[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 19:53, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
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	==Copyright policy==		==Copyright policy==
	This discussion reminds me that there's currently a redlink to [[VideoLAN Wiki:Copyrights]] on the editing form. Once the VideoLAN copyright policy is established, I guess it should be stuck in there. Also, I note that these "policy" ~~<span class="plainlinks">[http://diamondlinks.net/ <span style="color:black;font-weight:normal; text-decoration:none!important; background:none!important; text-decoration:none;">link building</span>]~~ articles are empty, too: [[VideoLAN Wiki:Privacy policy]] and [[VideoLAN Wiki:General disclaimer]]. So many details when you're putting a wiki together! Regards --[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 19:53, 10 July 2007 (CEST)		This discussion reminds me that there's currently a redlink to [[VideoLAN Wiki:Copyrights]] on the editing form. Once the VideoLAN copyright policy is established, I guess it should be stuck in there. Also, I note that these "policy" articles are empty, too: [[VideoLAN Wiki:Privacy policy]] and [[VideoLAN Wiki:General disclaimer]]. So many details when you're putting a wiki together! Regards --[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 19:53, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

	== Original authors ==		== Original authors ==

J-b: Reverted edits by StacyPark (Talk) to last revision by JannaSpike

2011-10-15T16:41:59Z

Reverted edits by StacyPark (Talk) to last revision by JannaSpike

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	::::::It's got a discrete notice of the ''GNU Free Documentation License'' in the footer: "Content is available under GNU FDL." The FDL replaces the copyright notice.		::::::It's got a discrete notice of the ''GNU Free Documentation License'' in the footer: "Content is available under GNU FDL." The FDL replaces the copyright notice.
	::::::Also, in the US, I don't know that a group like the contributors can legally hold copyright, but I'm no lawyer. --[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 13:15, 10 July 2007 (CEST)		::::::Also, in the US, I don't know that a group like the contributors can legally hold copyright, but I'm no lawyer. --[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 13:15, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
	:::::::Well in fact the VideoLAN project doesn't exist as a Legal entity <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.loansandcredit.com/ <span style="color:black;font-weight:normal; text-decoration:none!important; background:none!important; text-decoration:none;">quick personal loans</span>] either so theoretically it can't hold copyright either. To be on the safe <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.facebook.com/bsafans <span style="color:black;font-weight:normal; text-decoration:none!important;background:none!important; text-decoration:none;">Beauty Schools of America Complaints</span>] side we'd need to mention <span class="plainlinks">[http://~~priceofsilver~~.~~org~~/ <span style="color:black;font-weight:normal; text-decoration:none!important; background:none!important; text-decoration:none;">~~price of silver~~</span>] all the authors in the copyright notice, with the appropriate date for each author unless they explicitly mention that they give up their copyright (or relinquish it in favor of some other legal entity). And licensing terms are a different concept from a copyright as far as I understand. (One could argue that an author keeps copyright on what he writes even if it's not stated explicitly anywhere, but I still think that we should mention it to emphasise, as do most open source projects I checked on. This page on the FSF website has some details: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050325novalis.html ) -- [[User:Dionoea\|Dionoea]] 19:00, 10 July 2007 (CEST)		:::::::Well in fact the VideoLAN project doesn't exist as a Legal entity either so theoretically it can't hold copyright either. To be on the safe side we'd need to mention all the authors in the copyright notice, with the appropriate date for each author unless they explicitly mention that they give up their copyright (or relinquish it in favor of some other legal entity). And licensing <span class="plainlinks">[http://mycaal.com/ <span style="color:black;font-weight:normal; text-decoration:none!important; background:none!important; text-decoration:none;">loan modification</span>] terms are a different concept from a copyright as far as I understand. (One could argue that an author keeps copyright on what he writes even if it's not stated explicitly anywhere, but I still think that we should mention it to emphasise, as do most open source projects I checked on. This page on the FSF website has some details: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050325novalis.html ) -- [[User:Dionoea\|Dionoea]] 19:00, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
	::::::::Yeah, that makes sense. But I would like to point out that what Gallery is using is the ''documentation'' license that GNU makes available here: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html . Thus, it's specifically designed for manuals to accompany "free software". So, depending on how "free" VideoLAN is, you might want to consider using it.		::::::::Yeah, that makes sense. But I would like to point out that what Gallery is using is the ''documentation'' license that GNU makes available here: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html . Thus, it's specifically designed for manuals to accompany "free software". So, depending on how "free" VideoLAN is, you might want to consider using it.
	::::::::The ''GNU Free Documentation License'' does not surrender the authors' copyright. In fact, here's what they suggest you use as a copyright statement on the title page of the manual. --[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 19:53, 10 July 2007 (CEST)		::::::::The ''GNU Free Documentation License'' does not surrender the authors' copyright. In fact, here's what they suggest you use as a copyright statement on the title page of the manual. --[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 19:53, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
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	==Copyright policy==		==Copyright policy==
	This discussion reminds me that there's currently a redlink to [[VideoLAN Wiki:Copyrights]] on the editing form. Once the VideoLAN copyright policy is established, I guess it should be stuck in there. Also, I note that these "policy" articles are empty, too: [[VideoLAN Wiki:Privacy policy]] and [[VideoLAN Wiki:General disclaimer]]. So many details when you're putting a wiki together! Regards --[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 19:53, 10 July 2007 (CEST)		This discussion reminds me that there's currently a redlink to [[VideoLAN Wiki:Copyrights]] on the editing form. Once the VideoLAN copyright policy is established, I guess it should be stuck in there. Also, I note that these "policy" <span class="plainlinks">[http://diamondlinks.net/ <span style="color:black;font-weight:normal; text-decoration:none!important; background:none!important; text-decoration:none;">link building</span>] articles are empty, too: [[VideoLAN Wiki:Privacy policy]] and [[VideoLAN Wiki:General disclaimer]]. So many details when you're putting a wiki together! Regards --[[User:Jeremy Butler\|Jeremy Butler]] 19:53, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

	== Original authors ==		== Original authors ==